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thank you

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they were complex narratives of being

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taken by alien beings into UFOs on beams

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the Air Force is trying to cover up with

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from my own point of view I'm going to

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be very disappointed if UFOs turned out

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to be nothing more than visitors from

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another planet because I think there

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I'm not telling you the United States

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welcome back guys I hope everyone is

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doing well

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oh what a week we've had this is my

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first show since everything's gone crazy

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in the subject

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um

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boy oh boy but obviously it became

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clear that David grush was talking about

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this 1933 Italy crash so I thought you

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know we'll go over kind of what's been

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said about this in the past and I've

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spent the last couple of days looking

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into it and there's so much conflicting

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information out there I've found this a

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lot more difficult than I thought so

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we've got two good friends joining me

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today to kind of go over this before I

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bring them on though uh as always please

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keep the chat nice and respectful I'd

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appreciate that

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my um all my shows now are actually

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going to go over to patreon as audio

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only as well for sort of giving back to

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patreon and I've lowered that right down

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to one dollar as well so if you wanted

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them audio only you can get them on

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patreon for a dollar and it just helps

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support what we do here

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other than that guys if you have any

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questions pop them in capital letters in

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the chat so I get a better chance of

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seeing them

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and let's get into it let's let's bring

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in my guests first up my good friend

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Sean Rash of witness citizen Sean how

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are you good how are you sir I'm not too

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bad not too bad been a very busy week

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but uh yeah yeah you have this whole

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case solved figured out you're ready to

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in the bag yeah

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and please also welcome my good friend

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and colleague at UAP media UK Mr Graham

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Randall Graham how are you hello Vinnie

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hello Sean how are you both doing good

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yeah not bad not bad this this case has

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been uh turning my brain to Mush the

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last couple of days you and me both it's

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unbelievable

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so yeah let's um let's uh so I've asked

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both of you what did you guys know about

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this case before sort of it sort of

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before it came back into the news

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uh grab you wanna it goes a long way

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back uh Tim good wrote about rs33 back

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in the late 80s early in the early 90s

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um I can't remember which off the top of

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my head which book it's in uh but it's

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definitely one of them um so yeah he

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talked about it quite a lot quite early

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Sean

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I this is one that was always kind of

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like in the back of my head as far as

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it's something I want to get to you know

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I know

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um Christopher sharp at Liberation Times

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Release something I know Lewis mentioned

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it and it's kind of been floating around

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but it you know it's one of those where

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I also felt like I didn't have the

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resources I needed to successfully

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investigate it like I can't find much of

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anything other than what's already

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available and so it just kind of feels

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stuck at some point and you're right

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it's like how do you verify anything at

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this point too so I always kind of get

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just got stuck against a wall but but

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here we are looking at it man so yeah

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you just never know no absolutely and

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like I said in the last couple of days

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there is a lot of conflicting

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information out there on on a lot of the

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sort of major points of the story there

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are some good uh Italian articles which

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I'm going to be working off today going

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through the story

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um it's not it doesn't seem as biased

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there seems to be two sides or two

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factions one that believes this is you

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know true others where there's a lot of

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questions being asked and there doesn't

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seem to be much Middle Ground so that's

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what I really struggled with is trying

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not to to come from one angle

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so um the best thing to do is just give

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a really brief outline of what

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apparently occurred a lot of this I

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think is I'm I I'm not going to say I

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believe it at all it's too difficult but

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I'm just going to start reading in fact

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I'm going to share my screen and do it

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that way and then we can go kind of go

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on this so on the morning of June 13

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1933 an unidentified flying object

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appeared in the clouds covering the

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Skies of Lombardy can I just caveat this

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wording might be a little bit out

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the aircraft landed shortly after

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possibly crashing near the municipality

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of version 8 in the province of verrazi

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the security organs immediately

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activated the remains of the mysterious

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aircraft were hurriedly transported to a

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nearby SI AI marchetti plant and the

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bodies of two deceased Pilots tall

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blonde with blue eyes which everyone you

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know Associates that with the Nordic

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beings but you know this is all this is

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the all I could really find about the

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pilots across all of the documentation

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it's 1.8 meters two of them tall Fair

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hair and the eyes that's it that's all I

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could find

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apparently preserved in form four

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million but I think it means

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formaldehyde Benito Mussolini informed

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of the facts was at first convinced that

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it was a foreign prototype and I think

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he believed it was French or German

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uh or unauthorized fight over Italian

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skies and ordered that the incident kept

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in the strictest secrecy in the days

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following the event the mystery became

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more intense the mysterious aircraft had

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not yet been identified and could have

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been of extraterrestrial origin

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now that part so initially Mussolini

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thought it was just a foreign aircraft

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and I think it was Marconi was the one

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that went no no I think this is

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extraterrestrial so

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Graham what what do you think about that

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about some kind of aircraft in 1933

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coming from France or Germany that you

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know that fits those kind of strange

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you know well prototypes based on what

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they talk about I mean aircraft back

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then so you're looking at what 1933

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there were still like flying biplanes

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um it was right at the end of the kind

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new fighter airplanes so high

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performance for those days we're still

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biplanes there were a few monoplanes

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coming on this onto the scene but there

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were still largely mucking about the

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biplanes because I was still considered

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to be the the sort of particular

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technology and engine development hadn't

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really got much better since the first

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world war so you're not looking at very

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very high performance airplanes however

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you know your top speed is around about

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200 miles an hour for that maybe 250 260

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miles an hour for that take your time so

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nothing here matches uh particularly

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what the French or even the Germans were

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mucking about with in in 1933 or even

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the Italians might have had on their

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books or anybody else for that matter

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matches this kind of you know shape and

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performance and all the rest of it

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um let alone you know nordics and

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everything else

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my when I first heard this and I I

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caught wind of some of these details a

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long time ago

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my thinking was where does this

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information come from

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where can we see

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you know how it was reported in

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Mussolini where are the documents where

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is the you know the the paper trail

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because you could make a claim like that

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first paragraph about almost anything

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and just present it as fact and it's a

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lovely story but where does you know

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where's the truth of it what lies behind

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it and that's not me trying to like

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debunk this this case it's just a

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standard kind of you know sort of kind

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of procedure that you would use to

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verify any you know kind of claim any

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story so that's what I would love to see

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I want to see that before you know

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really you should comment any further

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about how true this is because again up

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until that point it's a claim yeah and

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it's making some fairly bold claims as

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well that Mussolini you know was

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informed of what happened

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um and that there were bodies on board

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and that the cyan marshetti Factory

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because that's how you mentioned that uh

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it's a it was actually a um you know a

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well-known Aviation concern back then uh

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that the the the craft the ledgecraft

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rather was was stored in those hangers

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and apparently even stayed there until

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um you know it was it was Spirited Away

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in what 1944 1945 or something so um you

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know it was there for quite a long time

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yeah so there's quite a few elements to

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even just that first part of the story

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that do require some kind of independent

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cooperation so we can move forward

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yeah so it's not like a real Society

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secret Tech from the third

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you know how to push my buttons

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I think I heard it was actually a Horton

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you don't you start either

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so let's jump to I'm going to jump

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around a bit because I want to come to

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the point where these letters and

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telegrams come into play so I'm going to

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share my screen back to that article

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um

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because we'll show the these as well so

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the documents and sources of Mr X so

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during a ufological symposium organized

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in San Marino in 2000 Roberto panotti

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writer ufologist and founder in 1967 of

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the national youthological Center

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revealed that in 1996 he had received

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some official documents which suggested

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the existence of fascist archives on

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UFOs the first envelope contained two

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letters on Senate letterhead and three

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telegrams the two letters were the

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confirmation of the sending of a highly

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confidential personal note and a note

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giving instructions on how to manage

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events following this discovery of

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adversiate or 38 38t I don't know how to

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pronounce these Italian things so what

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I'll do is uh let me bring up these

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this is the first one where it does

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mention here gabonetto rs33 so the

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irs-33 cabinets this this kind of mj-12

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style Italian group of scientists tasked

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with uh looking into this so we can see

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that with the Senate head here and then

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this is the list on how to

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uh and what did he say how to deal with

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let's have a look excuse me a second

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how to manage the events following the

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discovery

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it's in this document that we find for

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the first time a reference to RS3 and

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then the three telegrams testify to the

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agitated Communications between the

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government apparatuses during the day of

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June 13

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1933 and if we look at the telegrams

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this one here shows all three and this

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is said to have been a color photocopies

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of The Originals

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um and then if I go back

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these are kind of breakdowns of what

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they say but the thing is it doesn't say

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much about kind of a UFO or anything

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like that there's there's a uh aircraft

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of unknown nature which still kind of is

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a bit vague to me and it's just saying

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you know don't talk about it and this is

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all coming from Mussolini it's pretty

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much the same across all three

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the news

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it's all translated bearing in mind at

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the time there was also a flap in terms

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of like unknown airplanes

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all through the 20s and in the 1930s

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there was what they called the coolest

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airplanes you know um you heard the

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ghost Rockets from 1946 well actually

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there was a further phenomenon that

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happened back then so there's mystery

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aircraft flying around at least that's

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what the reporter does you know John

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Keel has written about this kind of

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stuff other people have written about it

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as well in the past

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um that these aircraft were seen uh

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flying and showing spotlights down to

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the ground and they were seen in all

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different types of weather that were

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seen in Whaler conditions where no

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self-respecting pilot at that time would

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fly a fairly flimsy airplane because

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that's what they were back then

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um so you know you've got this other

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dimension to this story where it lends a

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bit of credibility to it but at the same

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time as as you said there Vinnie there's

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not enough there to actually definitely

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state that this was something you know

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that we maybe should be interested in

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again they're coming down as mystery

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aircraft or mystery airships you know

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there's all this kind of wording it

329
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might just be done at the time but also

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you have to start wondering you know is

331
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it really or is it not so yeah yeah

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there's a bit of ambiguity there isn't

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it in the language I find the I find the

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whole idea of what is the rs33 I find

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the whole idea of rs33 in it kind of

336
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being

337
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an mj-12 thing except in an Italian

338
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version I find that extremely

339
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interesting because what uh you know the

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idea that plays out and what it suggests

341
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is that the secrecy may have you know if

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this case in fact it's true and these

343
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are true it implies that secrecy started

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before the United States and in in Italy

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and that we took you know we took it

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from them pretty much you know and it

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kind of set a record straight which is

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interestingly enough was was kind of

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discussed in that original article of

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one of the other people who spoke up

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about the the misnomer that the United

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States was just

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um you know in charge of all the secrecy

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and everything this would kind of you

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know blow that out of the park so to

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speak if it turned out that could be

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proven and true the one thing I would

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ask Vinnie would be you know it's called

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rs33 a couple of rs33 for a reason would

360
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there be any other like you know

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instances where they set up similar kind

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of cabinets you know or groups or

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whatever for other reasons can people

364
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point to rs32 or rs-31 or or something

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similar so you've got an idea that this

366
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wasn't just like a one-off is there like

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a kind of like a present for this you

368
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know for setting up things like this for

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kind of strange events or for other

370
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situations where the felt you know even

371
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just something mundane but they need to

372
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set up a special commission or something

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like that to investigate something and

374
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therefore this was a kind of methodology

375
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that they used to actually identify a

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special group or maybe even a secret

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group because that would actually then

378
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lend credibility to this as well if you

379
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could show you know something previous

380
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that actually went yeah okay they've

381
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done this before for something else

382
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they're now doing it for this or is this

383
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something that somebody's just plucked

384
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out of their head somewhere like maybe

385
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mj-12 you know because you know you know

386
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you know that I don't necessarily

387
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believe in LV 12. um so I'm a bit kind

388
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of I'd love if one of these things I'd

389
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love to be true but I'm just ah no I'm

390
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just can't get there is it yeah isn't

391
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that isn't that like the the big

392
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question in ufology for almost like

393
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every kind of case or whatever even then

394
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you know David does recent uh uh

395
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whistleblower a lot of people are saying

396
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the same very thing you know like I I

397
00:16:07,370 --> 00:16:04,800
wish I could say I think this would be

398
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true but but I can't you know and that's

399
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kind that's a natural thing to say right

400
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if you're about to have your Paradigm

401
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Shift like you're gonna hold on to it's

402
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like being in a tornado you're gonna

403
00:16:20,090 --> 00:16:17,639
hold on to that light pole for dear life

404
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until it rips you off and now you're

405
00:16:23,449 --> 00:16:21,720
just in Eglin you know there's nothing

406
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you can do so it's pretty interesting

407
00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:26,760
yeah yeah but when it comes to rs33 The

408
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Story Goes that it was rs33 because of

409
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1933 and it said that the group

410
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disbanded in 1940 at the you know almost

411
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at the start of World War II that that

412
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they had investigated other cases uh in

413
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the decade prior 1931 incident 933 and

414
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936. so you know that's it all sounds

415
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violent oh it sounds plausible it does

416
00:16:55,850 --> 00:16:52,740
the whole story is All sounded plausible

417
00:16:58,370 --> 00:16:55,860
to a point exactly but then again you

418
00:16:59,870 --> 00:16:58,380
know the the best cases always do

419
00:17:02,150 --> 00:16:59,880
um and even some of the hoaxes that

420
00:17:04,010 --> 00:17:02,160
we've we all we all know and love do as

421
00:17:05,449 --> 00:17:04,020
well so I think it's one of these ones

422
00:17:07,610 --> 00:17:05,459
where we do need more information about

423
00:17:10,309 --> 00:17:07,620
a lot of this to be and from other

424
00:17:11,870 --> 00:17:10,319
sources some cooperation and that would

425
00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:11,880
go a long way to actually you know

426
00:17:15,710 --> 00:17:14,160
verifying what's being said here

427
00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:15,720
um otherwise it just becomes under the

428
00:17:19,549 --> 00:17:17,880
claim albeit a really interesting one

429
00:17:20,689 --> 00:17:19,559
because I'm not prepared to say all the

430
00:17:23,329 --> 00:17:20,699
way I'm not going to say this doesn't

431
00:17:26,329 --> 00:17:23,339
this never existed because I can't but

432
00:17:27,949 --> 00:17:26,339
neither can I also sort of handle heart

433
00:17:30,890 --> 00:17:27,959
say you know oh there's definitely

434
00:17:32,750 --> 00:17:30,900
something to it yeah and I think sorry I

435
00:17:34,909 --> 00:17:32,760
think that Mr X does provide at some

436
00:17:36,250 --> 00:17:34,919
point in this story he provides names of

437
00:17:38,930 --> 00:17:36,260
some of these scientists he just

438
00:17:40,610 --> 00:17:38,940
supposedly make up the group but does

439
00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:40,620
that I mean that doesn't prove it either

440
00:17:45,890 --> 00:17:42,320
because you know the people in

441
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:45,900
mj-12 we're all real real this doesn't

442
00:17:51,529 --> 00:17:48,720
prove that mj-12 was a real thing and

443
00:17:52,970 --> 00:17:51,539
you know for the same amount of time but

444
00:17:55,310 --> 00:17:52,980
in Nazi Germany there was always a

445
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:55,320
saying you know a lie a lies best hidden

446
00:17:59,810 --> 00:17:58,080
between two truths you know so this is

447
00:18:01,490 --> 00:17:59,820
the kind of thing that people did back

448
00:18:03,529 --> 00:18:01,500
then as well and I'll see this still do

449
00:18:05,570 --> 00:18:03,539
now so you have to also treat things

450
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:05,580
with a pinch of salt I'm afraid yeah

451
00:18:11,450 --> 00:18:09,360
absolutely let's jump back in to the

452
00:18:14,270 --> 00:18:11,460
article

453
00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:14,280
so it goes on here Mussolini authorized

454
00:18:19,789 --> 00:18:16,380
the investigations to be conducted by

455
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:19,799
the rs-33 cabinet of the Opera the Opera

456
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:22,160
vigilanza repression

457
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:24,480
anti-fascismo the secret police of

458
00:18:29,390 --> 00:18:26,880
fascist Italy the files relating to the

459
00:18:31,370 --> 00:18:29,400
research conducted by the rs-33 cabinet

460
00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:31,380
coordinated I'm not even going to try

461
00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:33,840
his first name coordinated by Marconi

462
00:18:38,210 --> 00:18:35,520
would later be accessible to the

463
00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:38,220
authorities of Nazi Germany as well

464
00:18:42,289 --> 00:18:40,380
based on those documents the development

465
00:18:44,770 --> 00:18:42,299
of The Wonder of Athen which is I guess

466
00:18:46,909 --> 00:18:44,780
is the Wonder Weapons of Germany began

467
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experimental secret weapons including

468
00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:49,860
the V7 the aircraft very similar to a

469
00:18:55,130 --> 00:18:52,559
flying saucer Andy glocker a bell-shaped

470
00:18:56,990 --> 00:18:55,140
armored device that moved suspended in

471
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the air let's just stop it there because

472
00:19:00,350 --> 00:18:58,559
I want to talk about this point because

473
00:19:03,890 --> 00:19:00,360
a lot of people have been saying that

474
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:03,900
this crashed craft in 33 is the glocker

475
00:19:09,289 --> 00:19:06,000
and I mean there are so many things that

476
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:09,299
don't point to that you know the glocker

477
00:19:15,230 --> 00:19:12,320
was supposedly 3.7 meters this object

478
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:15,240
according to David grush was 10 meters

479
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:18,240
that's a vast difference for a start the

480
00:19:24,289 --> 00:19:21,360
glocker was you know surely that was

481
00:19:26,450 --> 00:19:24,299
produced made worked on in the 40s I

482
00:19:30,650 --> 00:19:26,460
mean I'm sure you've got a lot to say

483
00:19:35,870 --> 00:19:32,930
um right the glocker still hasn't been

484
00:19:38,270 --> 00:19:35,880
proven it's based as far as I'm away

485
00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:38,280
um on the ratings of one Hugo vitauski

486
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:41,880
uh who who's a pole but also he from

487
00:19:46,610 --> 00:19:44,400
what I understand he alleges that the

488
00:19:50,029 --> 00:19:46,620
information about the glocker comes from

489
00:19:52,610 --> 00:19:50,039
polish intelligence interrogations of

490
00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:52,620
one Jakob sparenberg after the war and

491
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:55,260
Jacob sverenberg was an SS officer he

492
00:19:58,130 --> 00:19:56,400
was what they call the higher police

493
00:20:00,770 --> 00:19:58,140
leader so he was basically in charge of

494
00:20:03,169 --> 00:20:00,780
a hit a fairly large part of Poland but

495
00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:03,179
at the end like in November 1944 he was

496
00:20:08,990 --> 00:20:04,740
shipped off to Norway to look after

497
00:20:10,430 --> 00:20:09,000
things there on behalf of the SS so he

498
00:20:12,350 --> 00:20:10,440
wasn't really around at the end of the

499
00:20:13,789 --> 00:20:12,360
war when you know or the last six months

500
00:20:15,049 --> 00:20:13,799
of the war when all this stuff of the

501
00:20:17,090 --> 00:20:15,059
o'clocking was supposed to be going on

502
00:20:18,890 --> 00:20:17,100
and you know the fact that that either

503
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:18,900
make the Spirited Away from there or it

504
00:20:23,090 --> 00:20:20,880
was buried when the blew the facility

505
00:20:25,370 --> 00:20:23,100
open all these other stories that have

506
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:25,380
circulated around

507
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,360
um the Bell you know that that's dick

508
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:29,600
lockers that's the English translation

509
00:20:34,730 --> 00:20:32,400
vitasco as far as I'm aware as well

510
00:20:36,770 --> 00:20:34,740
wrote some rather well let's let's put

511
00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:36,780
it in air quotes dodgy

512
00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:38,760
um books about wonderful I think

513
00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:40,860
beforehand as well

514
00:20:45,770 --> 00:20:43,860
um and once I've seen bits of them you

515
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:45,780
know they sometimes make some maybe

516
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,440
possibly wild claims as well so

517
00:20:54,049 --> 00:20:51,600
it's always been something where it's

518
00:20:56,750 --> 00:20:54,059
one of those words to be a love to have

519
00:20:58,970 --> 00:20:56,760
kind of story you know to be true but

520
00:21:00,890 --> 00:20:58,980
you know Nick cook looked at it years

521
00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:00,900
ago you know 100 for zero points there

522
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:02,700
was a Channel 4 documentary where um

523
00:21:06,409 --> 00:21:04,799
where your visit of the hinge with with

524
00:21:08,930 --> 00:21:06,419
vitavsky

525
00:21:11,210 --> 00:21:08,940
um it could equally be um your cooling

526
00:21:12,289 --> 00:21:11,220
tower base you know there was nothing to

527
00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:12,299
suggest

528
00:21:15,169 --> 00:21:13,740
just because it looks like something

529
00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:15,179
that you can describe oh yeah that's

530
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,380
definitely you know to something to do

531
00:21:19,789 --> 00:21:18,240
with a central point for this thing to

532
00:21:21,529 --> 00:21:19,799
sit in and bounce up and down because

533
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:21,539
it's like powered by anti-gravity or

534
00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:22,679
something

535
00:21:26,990 --> 00:21:24,360
um you know there's there's no

536
00:21:28,730 --> 00:21:27,000
documentation about it at all you know

537
00:21:30,409 --> 00:21:28,740
anything that you see on the internet is

538
00:21:32,270 --> 00:21:30,419
probably forged

539
00:21:35,390 --> 00:21:32,280
um you know the stories don't add up

540
00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:35,400
there's no independent cooperation of

541
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:37,140
anything to do with this particular

542
00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:40,559
device it came out of nowhere you know

543
00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:42,780
in in about the 1990s

544
00:21:46,970 --> 00:21:45,480
um you it's like the NASA UFOs you go

545
00:21:48,830 --> 00:21:46,980
back far enough in history and you hit a

546
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:48,840
brick wall in terms of people talking

547
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,600
about it you know so from that alone you

548
00:21:56,029 --> 00:21:53,520
can sort of think this is where this

549
00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:56,039
really started you know so

550
00:22:00,649 --> 00:21:58,020
um yeah I would I would treat all kind

551
00:22:02,510 --> 00:22:00,659
of references to the bell and any links

552
00:22:05,210 --> 00:22:02,520
with a bell and whatever we're talking

553
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,220
about here that if you again if that's

554
00:22:09,770 --> 00:22:07,440
true with a huge not just a pinch

555
00:22:12,049 --> 00:22:09,780
assault but a really sackful

556
00:22:13,789 --> 00:22:12,059
yeah and what about these v7s because

557
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:13,799
that seems to come up an awful lot oh

558
00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:16,799
God I know I know yeah so where was the

559
00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:20,220
V4 V5 V6 as well you know this is the

560
00:22:24,649 --> 00:22:21,480
way it works

561
00:22:28,010 --> 00:22:24,659
um no it's a figment of imagination

562
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,020
again the V7 is something yes somebody

563
00:22:32,090 --> 00:22:30,000
called you know Herman of birth who was

564
00:22:33,649 --> 00:22:32,100
like a kind of rocket engineer and

565
00:22:35,330 --> 00:22:33,659
somebody who was quite respected talked

566
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,340
about it in the 50s and said yeah it

567
00:22:40,130 --> 00:22:37,200
definitely existed uh he's quoted in

568
00:22:42,289 --> 00:22:40,140
fine sorcerer uh review the magazine in

569
00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:42,299
the 1950s saying that you know there was

570
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,220
an article about him in that um that he

571
00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:46,559
wrote mentioning the V7 and that that

572
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:48,299
doesn't mean to say it's true though

573
00:22:51,169 --> 00:22:49,440
um and again it's one of these things

574
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,179
where there is no evidence there is no

575
00:22:55,490 --> 00:22:53,280
documentation nothing that doesn't look

576
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,500
really suspect to say that you know the

577
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,120
V7 existed

578
00:23:02,270 --> 00:22:59,760
um it probably and

579
00:23:03,649 --> 00:23:02,280
people should read UFOs before Roswell

580
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,659
if they want to break down things like

581
00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:05,280
that and all the other Village that you

582
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,900
know it's been talked about Nazi UFOs

583
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:08,880
and dish-shaped craft that the Germans

584
00:23:13,789 --> 00:23:12,000
built it's based on effectively it boils

585
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:13,799
down to a whole lot of people claiming

586
00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:16,440
to be to be various Engineers of one

587
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:18,780
stripe or another talking to newspapers

588
00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:21,360
in the 1950s either to try and gain

589
00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:22,740
publicity for things that they were

590
00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:25,620
working on or trying to push then so

591
00:23:29,870 --> 00:23:27,960
another one who had a fireworks company

592
00:23:32,990 --> 00:23:29,880
would you believe and in the shapes of

593
00:23:34,730 --> 00:23:33,000
V2s for kids and he was trying to push

594
00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:34,740
that and he was trying to claim that

595
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:35,940
he'd been part of the German secret

596
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,980
weapons program during the war

597
00:23:42,649 --> 00:23:39,840
um somebody who allegedly worked on an

598
00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:42,659
Egyptian missile system who claimed he

599
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,760
worked on them as well another one who

600
00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:46,799
nobody's ever been able to work out who

601
00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:49,020
he was let alone any documentation about

602
00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:51,960
him and somebody else who ends up in CIA

603
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,360
and FBI documents because these

604
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:55,919
translations of foreign newspaper

605
00:24:00,350 --> 00:23:57,780
reports and this was That's supposed to

606
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,360
be truth you go far enough backwards you

607
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:02,400
get to 1950 and there's no mention

608
00:24:07,310 --> 00:24:05,100
before that there is no documentation no

609
00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:07,320
mention of it in anywhere before that

610
00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:09,240
date that's when they start talking

611
00:24:15,049 --> 00:24:10,980
about these things

612
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:15,059
um so you wonder why don't can't you

613
00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:16,620
find any reference to them beforehand

614
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:18,840
it's because that's when they started

615
00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:20,460
talking about it that's when they made

616
00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:22,860
this stuff up and that's where the whole

617
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:25,380
kind of you know Mythos about Nazi UFO

618
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,960
started it was never in the war

619
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:29,520
um they didn't have that technology

620
00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:31,919
there's other things that are that are

621
00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:33,659
pretty interesting about this case too

622
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,740
that

623
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:36,480
um you know it actually

624
00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:39,600
like the lore or the the kind of uh

625
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:41,580
Flying Saucer I guess before flying

626
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:44,100
saucers existed uh or the conspiracies

627
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,220
were the the death ray you know and oh

628
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,200
yeah and we see that mentioned within

629
00:24:53,870 --> 00:24:52,320
this article or this piece too which I

630
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:53,880
find pretty interesting because if you

631
00:24:57,230 --> 00:24:55,380
look back at the newspaper as you can

632
00:24:59,210 --> 00:24:57,240
see it goes from death rate to flying

633
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,220
saucers you know and they're actually

634
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:01,440
people talking about successfully making

635
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:04,320
a death ray whether it be uh one guy I

636
00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:05,640
think successfully took down like

637
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:08,220
pigeons he said or something

638
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,220
um actually this one Northrup uh

639
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,159
engineer said that uh

640
00:25:18,289 --> 00:25:16,559
that Engineers took their ideas from

641
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:18,299
science fiction and look what's

642
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:19,559
happening with the radar we're going to

643
00:25:23,270 --> 00:25:21,720
have a Death Race soon so people you

644
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,280
know I I don't know so that's pretty

645
00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:25,760
interesting too and then right

646
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:28,260
yeah right right yeah because they were

647
00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:29,520
looking for death rate they were trying

648
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:31,500
to build a death rate in the 30s and

649
00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:33,419
that's where radar came out of

650
00:25:35,810 --> 00:25:34,679
um right because they couldn't get a

651
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,820
death rate but they could get rid of

652
00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:38,159
them yes yeah notice some other kind of

653
00:25:42,769 --> 00:25:39,900
familiar Laura and it was around that

654
00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:42,779
time too when the death ray was in the

655
00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:44,340
newspapers wasn't it great I think it

656
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:46,440
was around like the 30s yeah it was yeah

657
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:47,760
they were talking about it quite a lot

658
00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:50,720
that's interesting yeah

659
00:25:54,289 --> 00:25:52,500
I guess

660
00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:54,299
but then we have these

661
00:26:00,049 --> 00:25:56,760
stories and Wild

662
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,059
stories about the real society and that

663
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,400
they were in communication with a Nordic

664
00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:04,559
extraterrestrial race who then gave them

665
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,080
the technology that allowed the Germans

666
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:08,640
to create UFOs and then they went to

667
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:10,620
Antarctica and

668
00:26:15,529 --> 00:26:14,340
you know all of this well people put all

669
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:15,539
this together

670
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,659
to paint a picture of of Truth and of

671
00:26:22,510 --> 00:26:20,640
course there is no truth to it at all

672
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,520
and it just muddies the waters and

673
00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:24,480
really uh

674
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,340
yeah I just really struggle with it and

675
00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:28,559
I hate talking yeah here's something

676
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:30,179
really controversial if you want to

677
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,460
discredit somebody give them a lot of

678
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:34,080
information and insert stuff like those

679
00:26:39,049 --> 00:26:36,840
into it sure and then it just wipes them

680
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,059
out because people will not you know you

681
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,279
can't take somebody seriously to a point

682
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:42,960
if they're talking about stuff like that

683
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:45,240
you know you know nasty technology and

684
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,320
all the rest of it because it's just

685
00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:48,240
rubbish and if they had it surely they

686
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:51,539
would have won the war damn right yeah

687
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:54,240
well that's that's kind of you would

688
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,559
have found it somewhere there would be

689
00:26:59,149 --> 00:26:57,360
bits of them in the museum in museums by

690
00:27:01,730 --> 00:26:59,159
now people will be talking about it you

691
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:01,740
know there's not a scrap of evidence and

692
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:03,240
the stuff that people purport to be

693
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,120
evidence is second hand it's claims that

694
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:09,360
have no Foundation just fake photographs

695
00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:11,940
that's not there's nothing there but

696
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,620
what what what does that make you think

697
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,840
of the Whistleblower then Gray because

698
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,240
you seem like passionately against this

699
00:27:22,810 --> 00:27:21,120
case and he's coming out the thing don't

700
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,820
get me wrong

701
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:25,200
I need to have more information about

702
00:27:30,289 --> 00:27:28,260
the rs33 thing before I'm gonna come

703
00:27:32,990 --> 00:27:30,299
down on one side the other just little

704
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:33,000
bits of it don't add up but that doesn't

705
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:34,260
mean to say the whole thing just because

706
00:27:37,549 --> 00:27:35,880
if you're gonna have a if you're gonna

707
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:37,559
run a disinformation campaign about

708
00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:38,580
something

709
00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:40,440
you know you're always through a bit say

710
00:27:43,789 --> 00:27:41,880
in the mix that make people think oh

711
00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:43,799
well there's nothing to this all that's

712
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:45,299
suspect but that doesn't mean to say

713
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:47,880
other bits of it aren't true so you know

714
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:50,400
we still have to step back and go we

715
00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:51,659
still need more information and that's

716
00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:52,980
how I always work with everything you

717
00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:54,539
know I'm not going to come down on one

718
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:56,340
side that's why I don't even say you

719
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:58,140
know what we're looking at Full Stop

720
00:28:01,370 --> 00:27:59,820
about you know what we're all

721
00:28:06,430 --> 00:28:01,380
investigating because I don't know I

722
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:09,169
UFO Tech stuff that is part of this

723
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,400
story and and Robert pinotti you know he

724
00:28:15,289 --> 00:28:12,720
actually does go on to this a bit later

725
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:15,299
on about the German you know the the he

726
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:16,980
just mentioned them by name

727
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,600
you just start throwing that into the

728
00:28:23,390 --> 00:28:20,640
mix and saying because it does actually

729
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:23,400
mention in in one in a an article he

730
00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:24,840
wrote for phenomenon magazine as well

731
00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:28,140
which I've got uh that's about rs33 he

732
00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:30,059
mentions the the kind of Nazi UFO

733
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,240
technology as being essentially true

734
00:28:37,970 --> 00:28:36,000
but it's not really you know so uh I

735
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:37,980
mean that could have even been made up

736
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,860
to you know it all we're left to do is

737
00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:42,720
like fill in the blanks and speculate

738
00:28:45,710 --> 00:28:44,340
and that's partially why these stories

739
00:28:49,870 --> 00:28:45,720
kind of come together the way they do

740
00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:49,880
but um like the the more uh imaginative

741
00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:52,140
Storyteller kind of gets remembered for

742
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,980
that right yeah but he says in the

743
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,600
phenomenon

744
00:29:02,390 --> 00:28:59,520
IC says that it's also possible that the

745
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:02,400
German V7 it's a revolutionary disc

746
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,500
shaped aircraft here's existence as a

747
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:06,240
prototype was confirmed by Herman of

748
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:07,380
birth

749
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:12,350
you know so there's a bit of a leap

750
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:13,980
there but also you know nobody's

751
00:29:18,529 --> 00:29:16,500
confirmed that the V7 existed it's just

752
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:18,539
somebody said it did you know who

753
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:20,100
apparently you know who was quite well

754
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:21,539
respected but that doesn't say that

755
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:24,720
everything he said was true yeah so yeah

756
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,000
and big seven you know you're not going

757
00:29:30,409 --> 00:29:29,039
to get anywhere if you try to research

758
00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:30,419
that because you are going to hit a

759
00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:33,179
brick wall Very quickly yeah and try to

760
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:35,340
try to actually research it and prove it

761
00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:38,340
yeah let's jump back into the article

762
00:29:43,549 --> 00:29:42,059
and go from there so according to this

763
00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:43,559
narrative the political history of

764
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:45,960
ufology contacts with aliens kept hidden

765
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:47,460
from the population by a precise

766
00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:50,159
government will would begin with the

767
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:52,740
discovery of 38 14 years before the

768
00:29:57,230 --> 00:29:54,299
flying source of crashed in Roswell New

769
00:29:59,690 --> 00:29:57,240
Mexico the rs-33 cabinet

770
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,700
some speculate the RS is the acronym for

771
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,919
special research would have operated in

772
00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:03,600
the buildings of Le Sapienza University

773
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,640
of Rome and liaise with the leading

774
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:07,919
figures of the regime the cabinet whose

775
00:30:11,570 --> 00:30:09,539
meetings were attended by senators and

776
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:11,580
scientists was the fascist version of

777
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:13,860
Majestic 12 the secret U.S organization

778
00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:16,799
that was allegedly formed in 1947 to

779
00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:19,140
investigate Roswell the Curious Italian

780
00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:21,299
story thus described is based on a

781
00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:23,220
series of documents some Originals of

782
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,799
copies send by post starting in 96 from

783
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:27,360
an anonymous source

784
00:30:32,990 --> 00:30:31,020
yeah we've kind of gone over that

785
00:30:34,610 --> 00:30:33,000
the doubts of the Skeptics this is an

786
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,620
important point the answer the Skeptics

787
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:36,240
are concentrated precisely on the

788
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:37,799
documentation that emerged after more

789
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:39,960
than 50 years and during the research

790
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:40,980
that I've been doing in the last couple

791
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,020
of days I've seen arguments on both

792
00:30:48,649 --> 00:30:45,840
sides arguments where these documents

793
00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:48,659
have been analyzed and claimed to have

794
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,000
been proven to be real but then others

795
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:53,039
saying there are so many missing pieces

796
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:54,960
of information that that take away from

797
00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:56,940
the authenticity of what would have been

798
00:31:00,169 --> 00:30:58,440
written at the time how it would have

799
00:31:03,409 --> 00:31:00,179
been written how it would have been sent

800
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:03,419
and all many many things like that

801
00:31:06,769 --> 00:31:04,440
um

802
00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:06,779
yeah yeah and this goes into the sources

803
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,279
and the documents because they've got

804
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:10,799
somebody called Antonio garavaggio to

805
00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:13,080
actually use a allegedly uh well I don't

806
00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:15,720
know how again I don't know a huge

807
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:17,820
amount of detail about the case in terms

808
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:19,500
of you know what is professional kind of

809
00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:22,200
qualifications were but he did allegedly

810
00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:25,380
did a professional forensic analysis

811
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:27,659
into the documents uh and apparently

812
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:28,980
there were chemical tests on the paper

813
00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:32,520
and the ink Etc uh he apparently had the

814
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:35,100
originals not copies and he concluded

815
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,840
that there were authentic handwritten

816
00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:38,880
documents from the fascist era uh the

817
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:40,860
color of the paper and the ink aging

818
00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:43,020
process lender to believe they were

819
00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:44,520
absolutely genuine and the weren't

820
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:46,200
modern forgeries

821
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,340
what I would love to have is another

822
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:53,279
analysis by somebody else yeah well

823
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:55,080
because the more you if you've got two

824
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:58,260
or say three different people you know

825
00:32:01,010 --> 00:31:59,820
coming and having a look at it and then

826
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,020
you could probably then come up with

827
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:03,600
consensus I'm not suggesting that the

828
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:05,820
chat that had do it you know was wrong

829
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,080
or you didn't know what he was talking

830
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:09,600
about but it would be nice to have you

831
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:11,700
know another one so you can compare them

832
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:13,320
as well because I think that's you know

833
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,260
if there's nothing to hide here you know

834
00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:18,720
you probably should you know throw some

835
00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:20,520
more kind of resources at it just to

836
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:22,679
prove it Beyond shadow of a doubt that

837
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,419
they are genuine because that would be

838
00:32:27,649 --> 00:32:25,919
great because that would move that

839
00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:27,659
forward and then you could you know you

840
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,340
wouldn't have left out

841
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:31,440
um but yeah I would like to see that

842
00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:34,140
yeah because wouldn't you kind of expect

843
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,899
like whoever owns the paperwork to do

844
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:38,399
something like that to if they really

845
00:32:43,549 --> 00:32:41,039
wanted to to know yeah right they would

846
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,559
get multiple analysis yeah well one

847
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:45,840
group of Italian researchers apparently

848
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,700
contacted the the people that had the

849
00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:49,440
documents to say you know can we can we

850
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:51,179
get a look at them and they just didn't

851
00:32:54,289 --> 00:32:53,039
hear back from them and you know that's

852
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:54,299
unfortunate because that would have

853
00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:57,240
again like added more Credence to it but

854
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,620
this is kind of what this this paragraph

855
00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:00,000
I'm going to skip here is just talking

856
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:02,460
about how Mr X you know there were other

857
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,200
documents sent over the the years

858
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:07,200
between 96 and 2000 and it all comes

859
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:09,059
down to the reliability of said

860
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:10,740
documents

861
00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:12,120
um I'm just going to skip right here to

862
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:14,039
the bottom where it says Nazi Germany

863
00:33:18,769 --> 00:33:16,200
did not have the time to exploit them

864
00:33:21,409 --> 00:33:18,779
and thus this Heritage ended up in the

865
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:21,419
hands of the Allies so it is said that

866
00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:24,240
in 1945 the materials

867
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,820
um the documents and this craft There

868
00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:29,279
Was You Know stored in in Italy in this

869
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:31,140
Hangar was

870
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:35,760
picked up by OSS this a US agency and

871
00:33:39,409 --> 00:33:37,380
taken back to the US so Sean have you

872
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:39,419
come across OSS merch in your research

873
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:43,440
yeah well OSS is a precursor to CS or uh

874
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:48,179
CIA right so CIA like many other things

875
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,100
uh began in 1947 strangely enough right

876
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:55,200
um so

877
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:59,039
and and they were just like the CIA I

878
00:34:01,789 --> 00:34:00,480
haven't done a lot of research into them

879
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,799
but I know

880
00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:03,120
um just about their existence and

881
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,340
everything but uh you can't find a lot

882
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:07,679
of documentation on them online which

883
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:10,619
really stinks because you know there's

884
00:34:15,649 --> 00:34:12,540
probably a lot of stuff there that that

885
00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:15,659
could help in our UFO search in those

886
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:18,540
OSS files perhaps and they're not there

887
00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:20,220
and even like the start of them using

888
00:34:25,849 --> 00:34:23,099
like LSD and stuff uh those would be in

889
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:25,859
those files too so it's it's too bad

890
00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:27,060
that they're not available but that

891
00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:29,700
could be for a reason too yeah um you

892
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:31,859
know that this case uh

893
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:34,020
you know just lately I've been going

894
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,859
into cases that go back you know to 1860

895
00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:39,839
you know in the newspapers written about

896
00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:42,540
mysterious lights you know

897
00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:45,540
um so and even a crash you know in the

898
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:48,060
United States in like 1896 there's an

899
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,280
article written about it you know so

900
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:53,520
this stuff happens you know and and I

901
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:00,170
this story could be the first version of

902
00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:03,200
what our Roswell became you know almost

903
00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:05,640
where you have something really exciting

904
00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:08,580
people know something exists and you

905
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,680
have one person who's recollecting truth

906
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,240
you have another person who doesn't want

907
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:14,400
people to know the truth and you have

908
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:16,140
various things going out there in the

909
00:35:20,329 --> 00:35:17,880
public because of those you know

910
00:35:22,670 --> 00:35:20,339
different factions it seems like almost

911
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:22,680
like the could be the first version of

912
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,540
that now if it's because it was like the

913
00:35:29,089 --> 00:35:27,119
first blimp or because it was a flying

914
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,099
saucer like how do we find that out I

915
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:30,960
don't know

916
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:33,420
yeah no absolutely I just wanted to

917
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,339
highlight as well that John Greenwald at

918
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,680
The Black Vault urn has some

919
00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:39,359
I'm going to share my screen again for

920
00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:40,740
anybody that wants to go and dig into

921
00:35:44,770 --> 00:35:41,820
this

922
00:35:48,130 --> 00:35:44,780
um so again it's about the fish

923
00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:48,140
oh what where's uh

924
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:50,760
OSS in Italy that's interesting wow I

925
00:35:54,370 --> 00:35:52,200
didn't know that

926
00:35:56,750 --> 00:35:54,380
but yeah

927
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,760
information is on the black bowl and

928
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,040
this is from the book UFO contacts in

929
00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:01,200
Italy Volume 2 published by Philip

930
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:04,680
Mantle's flying disc press and in that

931
00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:07,260
book I wanted to highlight

932
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,160
this it's uh William Bill Brophy Jr and

933
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:13,440
Roberto pinotti in the photograph in

934
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:16,680
2009 Mr William Bill Brophy Jr contacted

935
00:36:20,329 --> 00:36:18,300
us informing us that his late father

936
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:20,339
United States Air Force Lieutenant

937
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,280
Colonel William Brophy Jr had cooperated

938
00:36:27,609 --> 00:36:25,680
in the covered up operations to recover

939
00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:27,619
crashed UFOs in the United States

940
00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:29,940
besides he would have told his son that

941
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,579
in 1945 after the defeat of the Germans

942
00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:34,800
in Northern Italy the Americans found

943
00:36:39,050 --> 00:36:36,660
and took to the state's important

944
00:36:41,950 --> 00:36:39,060
material about an Italian UFO crash

945
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:41,960
including the corpses of the two pilots

946
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:44,520
I mean that's pretty you know

947
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:48,720
interesting stuff yeah and then I'm just

948
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,020
gonna jump to the statement made this

949
00:36:57,890 --> 00:36:54,960
week by David grush so he was asked in

950
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:57,900
La Parisienne the French newspaper by

951
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,339
the reporter can we know more about

952
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:02,160
these ships were recovered where these

953
00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:04,140
ships were recovered one was recovered

954
00:37:09,170 --> 00:37:06,359
in Italy in 1933 which is the earliest

955
00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:09,180
case I've been I can't talk about the

956
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:11,220
others which I find strange why he's

957
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,900
able to talk about this but that no

958
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:15,119
others but hey ho hopefully we'll under

959
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:17,579
I heard because it was overseas or

960
00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:19,500
something okay

961
00:37:24,589 --> 00:37:22,260
possibly yeah I mean maybe and then what

962
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:24,599
allegedly happened there so in 1933 a

963
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:26,700
bell like craft around 10 meters in size

964
00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:28,680
was recovered in magenta Northern Italy

965
00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:30,660
it was kept by Mussolini's government

966
00:37:37,069 --> 00:37:34,220
until 1944 where it was recovered by OSS

967
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:37,079
ironically it predates Roswell so this

968
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,520
is where it's interesting that he says

969
00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:40,320
it was kept by Mussolini's government

970
00:37:47,329 --> 00:37:43,619
until 44 assuming when OSS picked it up

971
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,339
then so this object didn't go to Germany

972
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:49,200
and I've seen this in some of the other

973
00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:50,640
research that I did in the last couple

974
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:52,440
of days where it was just the the

975
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,500
research documents from rs-33 that went

976
00:38:00,290 --> 00:37:58,079
to Germany not an object that they could

977
00:38:02,530 --> 00:38:00,300
back engineer in Germany so I found that

978
00:38:08,109 --> 00:38:02,540
really interesting

979
00:38:14,089 --> 00:38:11,390
yeah what just kind of came to me was um

980
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:14,099
you know and Roswell it was it was such

981
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:17,160
an interesting situation how they came

982
00:38:21,410 --> 00:38:19,740
out in the paper and said yeah like you

983
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,420
know they'd interest say we recovered an

984
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:24,000
unknown device they said the rumors are

985
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:25,020
true

986
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,079
you know flag saucers exist we have one

987
00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:30,000
and then came out you know the next day

988
00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:31,820
or whatever and said no it was a kite

989
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:34,500
wound up lying about that getting caught

990
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,660
about that too so what what I'm trying

991
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,119
to get to is if there is a secret thing

992
00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:42,000
in process already at that point like a

993
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:43,800
like a retrieval process or whatever

994
00:38:50,089 --> 00:38:46,560
when that came up that would already be

995
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:50,099
in place so that mistake to me probably

996
00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:53,460
wouldn't have happened so maybe

997
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,520
maybe you know the thing

998
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,800
um 47 crashes or whatever those people

999
00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:00,720
who are dealing with it have no idea

1000
00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:02,460
what's going on the people who got the

1001
00:39:08,530 --> 00:39:06,180
Mussolini UFO are like hey no idiot tell

1002
00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:08,540
them it was a kite

1003
00:39:13,550 --> 00:39:10,920
no I'm just speculating but you know

1004
00:39:20,410 --> 00:39:13,560
that's uh that's the only fun thing I

1005
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:23,810
but then on the other hand

1006
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:26,040
um the Americans cover it in 45 after

1007
00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:27,780
the after the Germans surrender in the

1008
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:30,900
north which one's right because quick

1009
00:39:34,930 --> 00:39:32,520
history lesson for people um you know

1010
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:34,940
the Italy surrounded in in in in

1011
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,740
1943 uh and the country was split into

1012
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,119
two half so you have the what they call

1013
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,280
the cobal engine forces who basically

1014
00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:42,720
cooperated with the Americans of the

1015
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:44,579
British in the South and in the north it

1016
00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:46,140
was called the salad well she wasn't

1017
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,400
called this but it was more or less

1018
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:49,680
called The salar Republic and they were

1019
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:52,200
the fascists uh and they had a kind of

1020
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,180
rub State and they got most of their

1021
00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:56,400
weapons from the Germans because by then

1022
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:58,140
um you know they couldn't be a splinter

1023
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:59,339
two kind of thing and they were

1024
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:00,900
dependent on the Germans for a lot of

1025
00:40:05,089 --> 00:40:03,300
their aircraft and a lot of stuff got

1026
00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:05,099
Spirited Away as well because obviously

1027
00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:06,599
the Germans didn't want the Italians

1028
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,700
like surrendering and passing stuff back

1029
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:10,079
over to the Allies so they were very

1030
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:12,900
Kelly as to what they let the Italians

1031
00:40:17,329 --> 00:40:14,940
have plus you know any kind of

1032
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,339
Technology like yes if the Germans have

1033
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:18,960
got wind of it they would have seized it

1034
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:21,660
from the Italians you know so it

1035
00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:23,640
wouldn't be just paperwork it would have

1036
00:40:26,569 --> 00:40:24,839
been the Craft

1037
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:26,579
um probably the bodies as well would

1038
00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:28,680
have been taken to Germany

1039
00:40:32,810 --> 00:40:31,020
um if if they'd heard that they had them

1040
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:32,820
yeah because the Italians were

1041
00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:34,859
definitely the junior partner in the

1042
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,180
access

1043
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:38,160
it makes a lot more sense if it would

1044
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,680
have been delivered to your 1933 to me

1045
00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:42,720
for whatever reason

1046
00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:44,220
um one of the things is like I was

1047
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,480
telling you before

1048
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:47,760
um before the show that finding some

1049
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:49,740
newspaper articles about how Mussolini

1050
00:40:55,310 --> 00:40:52,680
and like 70 some planes flew from Italy

1051
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,320
to Chicago on the day of the crash which

1052
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,880
you know if you want to start putting

1053
00:41:01,310 --> 00:40:59,040
pieces together that could be a great

1054
00:41:04,130 --> 00:41:01,320
idea to cover up you transporting a

1055
00:41:05,569 --> 00:41:04,140
craft to the United States you know and

1056
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:05,579
they owed a lot of money to the United

1057
00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:08,460
States apparently so what if they said

1058
00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:10,440
you know uh I don't know we can't pay it

1059
00:41:14,569 --> 00:41:12,300
but here's a alien spacecraft you know

1060
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:14,579
so that kind of stuff you know even

1061
00:41:18,170 --> 00:41:16,380
though it's far-fetched I can you know

1062
00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:18,180
at least speculate some dots there where

1063
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:20,460
in 1944 I feel like it becomes more

1064
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:23,339
complicated but yeah in the early 1930s

1065
00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:24,660
again just for a little historical

1066
00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:26,700
perspective the Italian Air Force was

1067
00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:28,740
possibly one of the best in Europe in

1068
00:41:32,810 --> 00:41:31,140
not at that particular time in terms of

1069
00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:32,820
you know how professional the the pilots

1070
00:41:37,069 --> 00:41:34,980
were how good their aircraft were

1071
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:37,079
um and they did a lot of these kind of

1072
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:39,900
big aerial events back then

1073
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:42,660
um so all right they have this they

1074
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:44,520
would get a big group of aircraft and

1075
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:45,900
have them flying formation it was called

1076
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:48,060
a Balboa it's still called a Balboa now

1077
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,560
and it was knitted after the German

1078
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:51,839
after the Italian Air Force general of

1079
00:41:54,410 --> 00:41:52,920
the time

1080
00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:54,420
um who was quite a famous General about

1081
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:55,380
what

1082
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,460
so you know they were quite air-minded

1083
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:01,680
they were quite um they were quite good

1084
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,480
at setting up an Air Force and it was

1085
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:05,280
quite a good Air Force back then so

1086
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,599
there's all various reasons why they

1087
00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:07,920
might have sent aircraft across to

1088
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,300
America because obviously you know

1089
00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:11,520
that's what they did and also North

1090
00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:13,740
Africa and Ethiopia they were getting

1091
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,300
involved in in that part of the world as

1092
00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:17,760
well and air travel and Air transport

1093
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:20,820
and um and Military air arm kind of side

1094
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:23,220
of things was a big thing then so I

1095
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:25,020
wouldn't necessarily read too much into

1096
00:42:28,609 --> 00:42:26,640
the fact that they flew there the same

1097
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:28,619
day but you're right you know you can't

1098
00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:31,020
rule it out as well well it's just weird

1099
00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:34,500
timing here it is yeah yeah and if you

1100
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,820
were going to cover something up you'd

1101
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:38,160
be like well that's crazy to happen as

1102
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:40,619
well let's do this

1103
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,780
well it's it's like to the point where

1104
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,400
we have this whistleblower coming out

1105
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:45,839
right and he has plenty of people

1106
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,440
backing them up plenty of people who are

1107
00:42:53,329 --> 00:42:50,880
um you know well qualified and

1108
00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:53,339
everything oh yeah and I'm assuming more

1109
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:54,839
people are going to come forward to and

1110
00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:57,000
this person is saying uh on the record

1111
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:00,660
that this crash happened so if we don't

1112
00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:03,000
know all the facts which we don't you

1113
00:43:06,829 --> 00:43:04,619
know which is common in ufology right

1114
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,839
like all we could do is try to

1115
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,119
like play Connect the Dots I guess right

1116
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,560
of course well that's what we do anyway

1117
00:43:13,849 --> 00:43:12,240
isn't it and if you want if you wanted

1118
00:43:16,190 --> 00:43:13,859
to discredit somebody coming out with

1119
00:43:18,050 --> 00:43:16,200
some information you would give them you

1120
00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:18,060
know you give them the truth but you'd

1121
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:19,619
also put some other stuff in it as well

1122
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:21,540
so when they come out with it all as a

1123
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:24,180
whole you know some of it might not look

1124
00:43:28,130 --> 00:43:26,040
right or end up being proven to be

1125
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,140
incorrect and then that basically tense

1126
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:30,240
everything else is sent uh that sat

1127
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,300
around it so yeah also sometimes you

1128
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:35,040
have to wonder how much of this is

1129
00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:37,020
actually true this particular section

1130
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:38,520
that doesn't mean to say everything else

1131
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:41,940
he's saying is respect uh and also vice

1132
00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:45,420
versa as well so yeah it's I don't know

1133
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,980
about you know I'm a bit like you see

1134
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:48,720
what happens someday I've heard other

1135
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:50,460
bits yeah I've read bits of this and

1136
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,359
some of it doesn't make sense

1137
00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:53,760
something's a bit conflicting

1138
00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:55,980
um you know and I'll just one more thing

1139
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,300
if you don't mind there's actually for

1140
00:44:01,010 --> 00:43:58,800
this article he wrote at the pinocular

1141
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:01,020
roach for uh phenomenon he talks about a

1142
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,180
German uh engineer or a designer called

1143
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,640
nordum uh he says besides since that

1144
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,920
since the end of the 30s a German

1145
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:10,079
aircraft designer named nordung have

1146
00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:12,359
been trying to build a solar flying disc

1147
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:14,520
to be sent out the space subsequently

1148
00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:16,380
renamed the flying wheel well actually

1149
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:18,540
her um this murder it was actually a

1150
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:20,280
pseudonym for somebody called Hermann

1151
00:44:25,309 --> 00:44:22,680
patokane and he was actually he died in

1152
00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:25,319
1929. um he was there he was an aircraft

1153
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:28,440
designer from uh austro-hungary

1154
00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:29,880
um so you know he wasn't even around

1155
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:32,220
when theoretically he was supposed to

1156
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,660
design this thing he did actually design

1157
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,040
something called The Flying wheel it was

1158
00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:37,440
a spare station effectively uh but you

1159
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:39,300
know so there's a few details there

1160
00:44:44,510 --> 00:44:41,880
which are a bit out as well I'm again

1161
00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:44,520
I'm not gonna like say that all this is

1162
00:44:50,089 --> 00:44:47,700
a are you because I can't but I always

1163
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:50,099
have this Instinct you know it's like

1164
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:51,839
everyone has this instinct to take all

1165
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:54,060
this stuff and attach it to to man-made

1166
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,260
all the time right because they're

1167
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:57,599
trying to avoid that Paradigm Shift

1168
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,700
breakage almost you know and I'm not

1169
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:00,960
saying they're trying to but maybe

1170
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:03,060
subconsciously here is a way to avoid it

1171
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:06,839
or whatever but like it's also true that

1172
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:08,220
throughout history so many different

1173
00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:10,740
people have created flying saucers or

1174
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:12,780
have tried to oh yeah definitely you

1175
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:15,180
know so so again there's this mix of

1176
00:45:20,089 --> 00:45:17,460
well a lot of people have tried it so

1177
00:45:22,430 --> 00:45:20,099
maybe you know but then there's there's

1178
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:22,440
no proof the best thing we found was a

1179
00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:24,660
broken down UFO with rollerblades in

1180
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,300
Maryland in like 1950 for a gram or

1181
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:28,800
whatever year that

1182
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:31,740
yeah but people have tried to do that

1183
00:45:36,109 --> 00:45:34,200
forever too so I'm just running humans

1184
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:36,119
are good somebody's just written window

1185
00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:37,800
office so the stories and rumors of the

1186
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:40,680
Nazi belts true amazing world yeah I was

1187
00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:41,900
like

1188
00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:49,020
done that yeah yeah but this stuff you

1189
00:45:53,569 --> 00:45:51,060
can track to the beginning too like like

1190
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,579
the jet engine like there are records

1191
00:45:57,770 --> 00:45:55,440
going back to the beginning of how it

1192
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:57,780
was designed and the Italians have their

1193
00:46:02,329 --> 00:46:00,119
own jet aircraft in 1940 yeah it's

1194
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:02,339
called the N1 but it wasn't a jet

1195
00:46:05,329 --> 00:46:03,660
aircraft to the true sense of the wood

1196
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:05,339
because it had a piston engine in it as

1197
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:07,859
well to drive the compressor so to

1198
00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:10,140
squirt the jet fuel into to ignite it to

1199
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,579
set it going

1200
00:46:15,170 --> 00:46:13,680
um it was a dead end technology and it

1201
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:15,180
was much slower than the Contemporary

1202
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:16,560
aircraft at the period anyway the ones

1203
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,540
that weren't jet powered so if they have

1204
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:21,119
this wonderful technology on you know

1205
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,640
literally falling into their laps why

1206
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:25,440
didn't the Italians do something with it

1207
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:27,900
because the word band Engineers they had

1208
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:29,640
some really really good aircraft in

1209
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,940
World War II everything started out why

1210
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,280
did France why didn't more happen with

1211
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:36,960
it you know especially when if they'd

1212
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,940
got it in 1933

1213
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:40,800
um you know or something like that they

1214
00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:42,420
had a head start and everybody in Europe

1215
00:46:47,230 --> 00:46:44,280
they had a head start of the Germans had

1216
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:47,240
a head start of the French

1217
00:46:51,650 --> 00:46:49,800
why didn't they do more with it you know

1218
00:46:53,630 --> 00:46:51,660
why were they taking it apart and trying

1219
00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:53,640
to reverse engineering it like people

1220
00:46:58,430 --> 00:46:55,380
say that the Germans did you know with

1221
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:58,440
with other things so yeah it doesn't it

1222
00:47:02,329 --> 00:47:00,300
doesn't add up either yeah it's a

1223
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:02,339
reverse engineering alien spacecraft and

1224
00:47:06,730 --> 00:47:03,780
in their lives well you've heard the

1225
00:47:09,290 --> 00:47:06,740
stories about the Germans

1226
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:09,300
have picked their own figures and that

1227
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,780
also makes my eyes roll so yeah I think

1228
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:13,920
one thing I'd like to do is just

1229
00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:15,540
encourage people if they're genuinely

1230
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,940
interested in this case is to go and do

1231
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:19,440
what I did for the last couple of days

1232
00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:21,660
and go and research it I'm just going to

1233
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:23,099
show you something because there's so

1234
00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:25,020
much information out there but so much

1235
00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:27,480
of it is in Italian and this for example

1236
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:28,760
is just

1237
00:47:34,490 --> 00:47:31,920
nicely laid out with pop-ups but it's

1238
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,500
got all this information in it but I

1239
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:36,000
mean I didn't have time to translate it

1240
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:39,540
you know but oh come on dude maybe there

1241
00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:41,700
is just yesterday there's a lot of

1242
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:43,319
information on the Wayback machine as

1243
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:46,020
well that I came across and you know the

1244
00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:47,280
thing is you have to troll through it

1245
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:49,020
because there's a lot of nonsense in

1246
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,720
there and it's uh you know if anyone

1247
00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:53,280
does this you'll see why it's a very

1248
00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:55,859
very messy case but if anybody does do

1249
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:57,720
any work on this and finds any Little

1250
00:48:02,030 --> 00:47:59,880
Gems or anything please feel free to

1251
00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:02,040
send it to me my email addresses is

1252
00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:04,020
everywhere you can find it easily it's

1253
00:48:07,609 --> 00:48:05,579
in in the description or the about

1254
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:07,619
section here on YouTube and you know

1255
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:09,960
let's keep looking into it I'm hoping

1256
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:12,060
that on Sunday when we get this

1257
00:48:16,809 --> 00:48:14,819
interview with uh David Rush that maybe

1258
00:48:19,010 --> 00:48:16,819
we get more information

1259
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,020
it might just be

1260
00:48:22,910 --> 00:48:21,119
his word because it's not like we're

1261
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:22,920
suddenly gonna get the evidence and the

1262
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:25,560
documentation presented to us publicly

1263
00:48:29,809 --> 00:48:28,200
hopefully one day we get that as part of

1264
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:29,819
this process

1265
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:31,859
uh so I guess yeah guys before we finish

1266
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:33,000
up what are you what are your guys

1267
00:48:38,510 --> 00:48:34,680
thoughts on how this has played out in

1268
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:38,520
the last week and what are you hoping

1269
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,000
uh well let me let me share a moment I

1270
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,640
had today with you that kind of uh sums

1271
00:48:50,030 --> 00:48:47,760
up how I feel about everything right now

1272
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:50,040
um and it's it's a simple moment but uh

1273
00:48:55,069 --> 00:48:52,440
you know it it really hit me deep so I'm

1274
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,079
driving in my car and you know when I'm

1275
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,839
not listening to a like a UFO podcast or

1276
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,760
you know something like that

1277
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:01,920
um I listen to the local radio the local

1278
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:03,780
sports radio because I do like my sports

1279
00:49:08,770 --> 00:49:06,480
team so I I turn it on to there and

1280
00:49:12,530 --> 00:49:08,780
there's the local uh personalities

1281
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:12,540
talking about this story on the local

1282
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,920
sports channel right and the one guy is

1283
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,720
going like but it could be the end of

1284
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,400
the world you know this homework guy is

1285
00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:22,800
super loud and you know that's his

1286
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:25,140
personality and the other guy's like no

1287
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:26,940
it ain't why you know and I'm just

1288
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:30,060
listening to like two regular people who

1289
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:30,900
don't

1290
00:49:34,609 --> 00:49:33,599
think about this nearly you know as much

1291
00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:34,619
as we do

1292
00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:37,020
getting hit with this news and talking

1293
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:39,480
about it on the radio and and how that

1294
00:49:46,370 --> 00:49:42,359
plays out and it just hit me like this

1295
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:46,380
went really freaking big man and it has

1296
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,660
a lot of potential because it's reaching

1297
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:50,640
people that I would have never thought

1298
00:49:56,329 --> 00:49:53,339
it would reach and it makes me think

1299
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:56,339
like whatever happens with this

1300
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:58,680
it it gives me a little more you know

1301
00:50:02,809 --> 00:50:00,420
for better for worse purpose that I'm

1302
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,819
here like remember I'm here because I

1303
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:04,800
saw something that was crazy you know

1304
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,660
not nearly as crazy as a lot of what

1305
00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:08,880
other people describe but for me it was

1306
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:11,220
uh shocking and because of that I'm here

1307
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:14,099
doing this at this point in time right

1308
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:17,280
now when everybody

1309
00:50:23,450 --> 00:50:20,460
you know has gotten news that aliens and

1310
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:23,460
craft may very well exist and that may

1311
00:50:27,710 --> 00:50:25,740
not be a conspiracy theory and I just

1312
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:27,720
find it so

1313
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:31,200
um amazing you know so like the truth of

1314
00:50:38,329 --> 00:50:35,160
the matter if if uh like somebody's you

1315
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:38,339
know makes up this lie to cover up this

1316
00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:41,119
or that or whatever like

1317
00:50:47,569 --> 00:50:45,420
we're at the the we're at the boiling

1318
00:50:49,609 --> 00:50:47,579
point of finding out whatever the truth

1319
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:49,619
of the matter is like so if you're

1320
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,420
someone who thinks this is a conspiracy

1321
00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:53,760
and you think this is all Bs well guess

1322
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,520
what like we're at the Tipping Point of

1323
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,280
finding that kind of thing out so like

1324
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,200
why don't you help us push for

1325
00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:03,599
transparency to figure this out once and

1326
00:51:08,089 --> 00:51:05,400
for all so we can be done with it prove

1327
00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:08,099
that you you don't want to argue for the

1328
00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:09,900
rest of your life about blurry videos

1329
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:12,180
you know like let's get to the bottom of

1330
00:51:18,589 --> 00:51:15,420
this and we've never been closer you

1331
00:51:20,569 --> 00:51:18,599
know and you cannot

1332
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:20,579
um get past the guy's credentials and

1333
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:22,260
the credentials of the people that have

1334
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:23,700
spoken

1335
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,579
um you know out on on his behalf like

1336
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:29,280
you can't get past that and I know it's

1337
00:51:36,410 --> 00:51:32,400
tough but it's real you know so whatever

1338
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:36,420
the reason is why we're here right now

1339
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:40,740
um we're here you know and just put your

1340
00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:43,440
best face on and I guess buckle up but

1341
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:44,940
yeah I think it's pretty amazing yeah

1342
00:51:54,290 --> 00:51:50,109
Graham

1343
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,300
I am in the same boat as Sean really and

1344
00:52:00,109 --> 00:51:56,880
that's how my kind of heart thinks if

1345
00:52:02,270 --> 00:52:00,119
you like my head however sort of looks

1346
00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:02,280
at it a bit more dispassionately and and

1347
00:52:05,809 --> 00:52:03,960
sees

1348
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:05,819
a clever for information from everybody

1349
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:08,819
you know who's concerned with us issue

1350
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:10,500
whether you know whichever side they

1351
00:52:13,790 --> 00:52:12,180
fall on or even if they're like me

1352
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:13,800
they're in the middle

1353
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,260
um and you know they have this kind of

1354
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:17,760
clamor for more people to come forward

1355
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,740
and as soon as they do they're all

1356
00:52:23,569 --> 00:52:21,839
jumped on you know for oh you know oh

1357
00:52:26,089 --> 00:52:23,579
it's rubbish or or it's the best thing

1358
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,099
since sliced bread yo so they can't win

1359
00:52:28,910 --> 00:52:27,599
basically if you come forward and say

1360
00:52:31,250 --> 00:52:28,920
something you're going to be pulled

1361
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:31,260
apart one way or another uh but at the

1362
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,640
same time everybody's saying oh we need

1363
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,520
more information but my frustration lies

1364
00:52:40,609 --> 00:52:38,400
in when people do come forward it's

1365
00:52:43,069 --> 00:52:40,619
never enough there's not that categoric

1366
00:52:44,809 --> 00:52:43,079
proof there's not that kind of you know

1367
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:44,819
that Smoking Gun there's not that you

1368
00:52:48,049 --> 00:52:46,020
know kind of

1369
00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:48,059
um that that Silver Bullet kind of thing

1370
00:52:52,910 --> 00:52:50,280
that just go you know bang you know and

1371
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:52,920
everybody wakes up and goes this is

1372
00:52:57,290 --> 00:52:55,740
definitely it we're not there yet

1373
00:52:59,210 --> 00:52:57,300
um so we're gonna need a lot more people

1374
00:53:01,490 --> 00:52:59,220
with a lot more information and stuff

1375
00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:01,500
that we can tie up together and stuff

1376
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,900
that isn't just somebody making a claim

1377
00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:06,000
like what we've sort of been discussing

1378
00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:09,300
here which yes has a certain amount of

1379
00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:12,059
kind of backstory to it but it's not

1380
00:53:16,190 --> 00:53:14,579
conclusive by any means

1381
00:53:17,710 --> 00:53:16,200
um and I think you know everything just

1382
00:53:20,329 --> 00:53:17,720
that we're getting

1383
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:20,339
is it still has all these little holes

1384
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,440
in it and we don't have any of the so

1385
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:24,720
you know they're so well-rounded and

1386
00:53:29,690 --> 00:53:27,420
that you can't pick it apart and I think

1387
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:29,700
until we get to that point we'll still

1388
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:32,220
be searching for that information uh and

1389
00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:33,599
we'll still be having discussions like

1390
00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:35,640
the one we've had tonight and the ones

1391
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,380
that people are having you know like

1392
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:39,119
round tables and the water cooler and

1393
00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:40,559
all the rest of it around the world

1394
00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:42,660
about the story that Sean's mentioned

1395
00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:44,940
that is local Sports reporters were

1396
00:53:49,010 --> 00:53:46,859
talking about because I've heard people

1397
00:53:52,130 --> 00:53:49,020
mentioning it as well people who had

1398
00:53:54,589 --> 00:53:52,140
never expect to talk about it and yet

1399
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:54,599
they're not dismissed it but they've

1400
00:53:58,250 --> 00:53:56,220
actually just went oh it's interesting

1401
00:53:59,870 --> 00:53:58,260
but that's it whereas if it was

1402
00:54:02,210 --> 00:53:59,880
something that was kind of categorically

1403
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:02,220
true and you could like you know pin it

1404
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,260
down and say right you know there's no

1405
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:05,760
argument about this then they wouldn't

1406
00:54:11,089 --> 00:54:09,240
stop talking about it yeah it would be a

1407
00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:11,099
new day it would be a new chapter in

1408
00:54:14,049 --> 00:54:12,599
Earth's history

1409
00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:14,059
um yeah

1410
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:16,920
right well right now we're we're like

1411
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,660
again we're we're at that Tipping Point

1412
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:20,640
right because the the people there are

1413
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:23,280
some people that you're Requiem look at

1414
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,740
this in and think it's

1415
00:54:30,530 --> 00:54:28,079
they can't get past the headline or the

1416
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:30,540
claim because whether it be the

1417
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,579
government or ourselves or however you

1418
00:54:37,730 --> 00:54:35,280
want to frame it it you know it's been

1419
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,740
curated and made to be this way so that

1420
00:54:42,109 --> 00:54:39,599
when the headlines do come out like this

1421
00:54:43,549 --> 00:54:42,119
you do think they're nuts you know and a

1422
00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:43,559
lot of people can't get past that

1423
00:54:50,809 --> 00:54:46,500
headline to actually see like wow this

1424
00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:50,819
guy is that and he's saying this you

1425
00:54:54,109 --> 00:54:52,680
know like so that's the kind of struggle

1426
00:54:56,030 --> 00:54:54,119
we're up against too in the one part of

1427
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,040
that radio show I I didn't mention was

1428
00:55:02,450 --> 00:54:59,520
the guy who is genuinely pissed about

1429
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:02,460
about it like this is a Psy up like they

1430
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:04,020
don't have any evidence he was like

1431
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:13,609
it's like yeah this is like Twitter

1432
00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:16,800
every day all the time about UFOs right

1433
00:55:20,210 --> 00:55:18,900
now on my Sports Talk Radio Show yeah so

1434
00:55:21,950 --> 00:55:20,220
it hits people in different ways it's

1435
00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:21,960
pretty interesting yeah and I look at it

1436
00:55:25,309 --> 00:55:23,460
in two different ways you know I do this

1437
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:25,319
every day and I have these conversations

1438
00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:28,020
private privately with many people we

1439
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,660
hear all sorts of rumors and and talk

1440
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:33,119
behind the scenes and there's that part

1441
00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:34,980
of my conversation where you know I'm

1442
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,020
not expecting Sunday's interview to give

1443
00:55:42,049 --> 00:55:40,319
us a massive um disclosure let's say but

1444
00:55:44,030 --> 00:55:42,059
I'm hoping it just continues to move the

1445
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:44,040
ball forward and with some credibility

1446
00:55:47,630 --> 00:55:45,960
and maybe then we get more

1447
00:55:49,849 --> 00:55:47,640
whistleblowers and we just keep moving

1448
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,859
forward I'm not expecting

1449
00:55:55,010 --> 00:55:52,319
it all to change on Sunday but then at

1450
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:55,020
the same time this week you know I go I

1451
00:55:58,849 --> 00:55:57,240
I take my daughter to school every

1452
00:56:02,510 --> 00:55:58,859
morning I stand in a playground full of

1453
00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:02,520
other people most of them are mums and

1454
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,200
they know a few of them know what I do

1455
00:56:08,210 --> 00:56:06,000
and I've started getting WhatsApp

1456
00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:08,220
messages from school mums with like oh

1457
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:09,660
look at the story made it into the

1458
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:11,280
guardian and things like this I'm like

1459
00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:14,640
wow this is crazy and that really just

1460
00:56:18,770 --> 00:56:16,440
makes me really happy it puts a smile on

1461
00:56:20,270 --> 00:56:18,780
my face that's the other side of my life

1462
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:20,280
you know there's just a lot to do with

1463
00:56:24,349 --> 00:56:22,440
UFOs and it's and it's creeping in now

1464
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,359
I'm not sure something about these

1465
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:26,640
people who I was like oh they're gonna

1466
00:56:30,849 --> 00:56:28,140
find out and they're gonna think I'm

1467
00:56:32,809 --> 00:56:30,859
crazy you know

1468
00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:32,819
people surprise me when they come

1469
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,140
forward like that don't they because I

1470
00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:36,000
have people in in some of the other

1471
00:56:40,490 --> 00:56:38,700
circles I'm I'm moving as well who come

1472
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:40,500
up and talk to me and say have you know

1473
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:42,059
again the similar sort of thing have you

1474
00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:43,920
seen this have you heard about this and

1475
00:56:48,049 --> 00:56:45,900
people who I never even knew were

1476
00:56:50,329 --> 00:56:48,059
interested long term in the subject as

1477
00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:50,339
well who I would never have dreamed that

1478
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:53,339
was that was the case so it's weird what

1479
00:56:57,950 --> 00:56:54,960
I'm and what I would look forward to

1480
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:57,960
from Sunday is some idea of how how he

1481
00:57:02,809 --> 00:57:00,540
got this information about rs33 you know

1482
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,819
where did it come from or did it just

1483
00:57:06,530 --> 00:57:04,319
come from you know kind of putting out

1484
00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:06,540
his research and stuff because if that's

1485
00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:10,140
the case then yeah it's gonna be right

1486
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:12,059
well you're just kind of you know you've

1487
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:13,200
found some information that's already

1488
00:57:16,190 --> 00:57:14,940
out there it hasn't come from somewhere

1489
00:57:19,069 --> 00:57:16,200
else because if it came from somewhere

1490
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:19,079
else that's a big deal yeah to me you

1491
00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:20,700
know and that would actually blow the

1492
00:57:24,770 --> 00:57:22,200
lid off this and it would actually

1493
00:57:27,049 --> 00:57:24,780
establish some you know some proper

1494
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:27,059
Credence to it whereas if it's a case of

1495
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:28,260
you know oh well that's where the

1496
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,920
information came from then okay yeah

1497
00:57:34,790 --> 00:57:33,359
because it's very easy to get excited

1498
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:34,800
about the chit chatter that people are

1499
00:57:38,990 --> 00:57:36,300
saying oh well you know it's going to be

1500
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:39,000
good buckle up everyone and it's so easy

1501
00:57:43,069 --> 00:57:40,559
to go oh God this is going to be great

1502
00:57:44,690 --> 00:57:43,079
but you know I think if you spend any

1503
00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:44,700
decent amount of time in this subject

1504
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,440
you know that it doesn't work like that

1505
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,200
your expectations folks you know Reign

1506
00:57:53,809 --> 00:57:51,599
it in and that's not just like

1507
00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:53,819
preparing for the worst it's just really

1508
00:57:58,910 --> 00:57:56,460
let's just be realistic come on he's

1509
00:58:00,890 --> 00:57:58,920
like this guy is no holds bar dude like

1510
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:00,900
he's coming out swinging man like

1511
00:58:06,589 --> 00:58:03,119
talking about bodies and stuff and yeah

1512
00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:06,599
maybe even you know like maybe it wasn't

1513
00:58:11,450 --> 00:58:09,300
supposed to I don't know what the story

1514
00:58:13,150 --> 00:58:11,460
is behind that it's kind of awkward but

1515
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:13,160
he's talking about it

1516
00:58:19,069 --> 00:58:16,559
you know like and

1517
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:19,079
you know it's what that that uh I bring

1518
00:58:23,450 --> 00:58:20,400
that up because this is one of those

1519
00:58:25,250 --> 00:58:23,460
things where like if it's true yes

1520
00:58:26,930 --> 00:58:25,260
freaking talk about it and let's go

1521
00:58:28,250 --> 00:58:26,940
there you know but if it's not then it's

1522
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:28,260
like why are you talking about body

1523
00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:30,079
stuff yeah yeah

1524
00:58:35,089 --> 00:58:33,000
I think I think it's gonna be like that

1525
00:58:37,130 --> 00:58:35,099
it's gonna be kind of explosive to a

1526
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:37,140
sense I think I think it's been handled

1527
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:38,880
well across the board you know Ross has

1528
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,440
obviously been sitting on this for a

1529
00:58:44,930 --> 00:58:43,200
long time hats off to Ross the way the

1530
00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:44,940
whole debrief handled it with the work

1531
00:58:49,549 --> 00:58:46,680
that they did on their own independent

1532
00:58:51,230 --> 00:58:49,559
verifications of of grush and and all

1533
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,240
these things so shout out Tim and the

1534
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:53,280
team I think they did amazing and

1535
00:58:57,289 --> 00:58:54,960
everybody else that's sort of related to

1536
00:58:59,690 --> 00:58:57,299
it and linked to it uh have been great

1537
00:59:01,010 --> 00:58:59,700
and you know this new news Nation the

1538
00:59:02,329 --> 00:59:01,020
way that you know people are saying why

1539
00:59:04,010 --> 00:59:02,339
are they just teasing it all the way up

1540
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:04,020
but they're they're kind of I think

1541
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:05,760
that's a good thing for people that may

1542
00:59:09,289 --> 00:59:07,200
not know anything about this subject

1543
00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:09,299
kind of a crime acclimatize them to it

1544
00:59:13,309 --> 00:59:11,640
so get their interest pick it with these

1545
00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:13,319
little short interviews and I think it's

1546
00:59:19,870 --> 00:59:15,960
great personally what do you call that a

1547
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:22,250
I think it's been good I like the way

1548
00:59:25,609 --> 00:59:23,940
it's been handled it's it's you know

1549
00:59:28,609 --> 00:59:25,619
leading up to it you know because if you

1550
00:59:30,109 --> 00:59:28,619
just had one thing on one day it's the

1551
00:59:31,970 --> 00:59:30,119
next Story the next week completely

1552
00:59:33,950 --> 00:59:31,980
drowns it out you know let's keep it in

1553
00:59:35,809 --> 00:59:33,960
people's minds a little bit more that's

1554
00:59:37,789 --> 00:59:35,819
the way I look at it so good quick

1555
00:59:39,710 --> 00:59:37,799
question for you once there's disclosure

1556
00:59:40,970 --> 00:59:39,720
are you gonna change the name of your

1557
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,980
show

1558
00:59:44,109 --> 00:59:42,480
yeah but I can't really call it

1559
00:59:47,390 --> 00:59:44,119
post-disclosure team

1560
00:59:49,450 --> 00:59:47,400
I feel like a good friend Ryan might

1561
00:59:52,130 --> 00:59:49,460
absolutely say that right yeah

1562
00:59:54,109 --> 00:59:52,140
this is the thing and I actually I get

1563
00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:54,119
asked that question all the time oh

1564
01:00:00,349 --> 00:59:58,020
really yeah I really do and no and it's

1565
01:00:02,450 --> 01:00:00,359
a good question because whatever happens

1566
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,460
I will still it's not like I'm just

1567
01:00:07,089 --> 01:00:04,319
gonna go right and crack that one what

1568
01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:07,099
can we do next like yeah

1569
01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:10,020
if disclosure happens we've got a whole

1570
01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:12,119
lot of other questions have we it's the

1571
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,460
case how much out of the rich history

1572
01:00:19,010 --> 01:00:16,799
and kind of reporting a UFOs is true

1573
01:00:22,730 --> 01:00:19,020
right how much of it was actually made

1574
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:22,740
up yeah especially yeah aren't they so

1575
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,420
you know if if you know you're

1576
01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:25,920
three-headed alien turns up with the

1577
01:00:29,150 --> 01:00:27,480
white house loan and you speak English

1578
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:29,160
and you can actually have a conversation

1579
01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:30,480
with him the first thing you're going to

1580
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:33,140
ask him is what happened to Roswell

1581
01:00:39,370 --> 01:00:36,079
you know all these other things

1582
01:00:42,589 --> 01:00:39,380
gotta rewrite every book

1583
01:00:44,030 --> 01:00:42,599
I'll be happy I would happily do it you

1584
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,040
know if I had that chance to actually

1585
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,799
talk to talk to a being you know that

1586
01:00:51,770 --> 01:00:48,720
that could give me the answers yeah they

1587
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,780
can prove it for you yeah but that's

1588
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:53,280
what you would do wouldn't you if you

1589
01:00:57,049 --> 01:00:55,079
have certainly could get those have

1590
01:00:59,150 --> 01:00:57,059
those conversations with with you know

1591
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,160
with some other entity or intelligence

1592
01:01:02,990 --> 01:01:01,200
or whatever you'll be asking them you

1593
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,000
know what what in the record is true

1594
01:01:06,650 --> 01:01:05,280
because then you can then you know build

1595
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,660
your history of couldn't you so that

1596
01:01:10,490 --> 01:01:08,400
you're the Phantom airships the ghost

1597
01:01:12,109 --> 01:01:10,500
airplanes the Foo Fighters um you know

1598
01:01:14,510 --> 01:01:12,119
flying sauces all the rest of it you

1599
01:01:16,130 --> 01:01:14,520
would ask those questions so it wouldn't

1600
01:01:17,630 --> 01:01:16,140
just be disclosure all right okay as

1601
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,640
Vinnie says we'll move on to something

1602
01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:18,960
else you know

1603
01:01:23,329 --> 01:01:20,760
um there'll be do it would just open up

1604
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:23,339
a whole whole new Avenue of you know

1605
01:01:26,809 --> 01:01:24,960
what's true what isn't and and what

1606
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:26,819
about this and what about that so we'll

1607
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:29,359
still have a podcast like this

1608
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,680
stuff because you can bet your bottom

1609
01:01:35,930 --> 01:01:33,599
dollar you wouldn't get all the answers

1610
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:35,940
in one group no and you'd need people

1611
01:01:40,250 --> 01:01:38,400
like uh historians like Huger and like

1612
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,260
uh otherwise people will be stuck like

1613
01:01:44,510 --> 01:01:42,000
listening to people like we're on my

1614
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Sports Talk Show talking about this who

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the one guy was bringing up like no this

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is like Bible is our where it's just not

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like at all you know

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um because of just the many reasons but

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and I'm not saying that good or bad I'm

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not doing that I'm just saying it's

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completely different you know yeah

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absolutely so they're just going to need

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people who who you know to interpret it

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all yeah and stay close to the truth you

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know yeah well that's what we all do

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yeah and everybody in the church yeah

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but listen just before we go Graham you

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mentioned Roswell there and in like just

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over two weeks me and what about you God

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is that what it is it's something like

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two and a half weeks me and you are

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heading out to Roswell so oh yeah well

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that's gonna be a blast it's gonna be a

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lot it's a British Invasion isn't it

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especially now it is yeah it's just

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gonna be awesome I can't wait to be

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there some amazing names people that

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I've spoken to on the show and people

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I've never spoken to uh get to meet in

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person which I always just I love it and

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I love all the all the attendees of

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these these conferences I just have a

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great time and

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yeah so many questions to ask for the

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answers

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01:03:12,770 --> 01:03:08,599
you know it's lovely to me

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01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:12,780
just go from there well listen guys do

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you know who I am John you know he said

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[Laughter]

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so listen guys thank you so much for

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joining me tonight I really really do

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01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:27,960
appreciate for everyone in the live chat

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thank you guys as well as always I've

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01:03:34,910 --> 01:03:32,819
had a really good audience tonight thank

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01:03:37,069 --> 01:03:34,920
you so much I really appreciate it Go

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01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:37,079
and follow Sean go and follow Graham buy

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01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:38,700
Graham's books they are absolutely

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amazing

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um

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just two really good friends of the show

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I'm going to be back next Thursday with

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Kevin Day for the first time I've not

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spoken to Kevin on the show yet so

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that's going to be a good one so guys

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please like subscribe if you want to go

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appreciated love you all take care

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and we'll see you soon